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		<title>the greatest injustice of the 20th century</title>
		<link>http://athoughtadrift.com/grandad/2010/06/09/the-greatest-injustice-of-the-20th-century-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I observe with interest that the esteemed US reporter Helen Thompson has been virtually fired for making a statement about the Israelis going back to Poland and Germany etc where they came from and to vacate Palestine where they are &#8230; <a href="http://athoughtadrift.com/grandad/2010/06/09/the-greatest-injustice-of-the-20th-century-2/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I observe with interest that the esteemed US reporter Helen Thompson has been virtually fired for making a statement about the Israelis going back to Poland and Germany etc where they came from and to vacate Palestine where they are unwelcome intruders. I don&#8217;t think that she should have been fired because she is stating a fact that many of us, of her vintage, think is a correct requirement if we are ever to have peace in that region again.</p>
<p>We are not anti Jewish or pro Palestinian, we are bemused by the decisions made in 1948 by the Unite Nations Organization to punish the Palestinians for the atrocities committed against the Jewish people of Europe by the Nazis, when they appear to have had no part in those acts of cruelty. Further,to then dispossess the Palestinians of their land, which they had occupied for tens of thousands of years, and give the land to European Jews that had no connexion or relationship to that area, is quite inexplicable.</p>
<p>As stated in my previous blog on this matter, when people have been unjustly dispossessed of their lands, they don&#8217;t forget such acts nor forgive them. Examples of such foolish government mistakes are the Northern Ireland conflict, which dates back centuries, the Balkans conflicts that dates back even further, and others.</p>
<p>Israel may think that it is winning and unassailable today but I&#8217;m sure that in years to come things may not be so good and they won&#8217;t have so many willing allies to blindly support them.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this problem has developed into a religious war. When Palestine was first invaded it was a country where Muslims, Jews, Christians and even, Atheists lived in relative peace but once the Israelis set up a sectarian state things changed for the worse. Now we have the Muslims migrating to Europe and America and all over the world and as their political influence increases so they will be able to better bring pressure to bear on Israel by causing their supply lines to be cut.</p>
<p>I think that Helen Thompson was right when she expressed her sentiment and the world will regret the stupid and unjust decision made by the UN in 1948!</p>
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		<title>the religious war in palestine</title>
		<link>http://athoughtadrift.com/grandad/2009/03/11/the-religious-war-in-palestine/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simon, You miss the point, in the case of Israel/Palestine it is a religious conflict, there is no other explanation for the situation. It may have started off as a conflict between one group taking over the lands of another &#8230; <a href="http://athoughtadrift.com/grandad/2009/03/11/the-religious-war-in-palestine/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon,<br />
You miss the point, in the case of Israel/Palestine it is a religious conflict, there is no other explanation for the situation. It may have started off as a conflict between one group taking over the lands of another group but it has been taken over by the two religions, Jews and Muslims, and this is despite the probability that the majority of ordinary people yearn for a peaceful settlement of the problem.<br />
As I said before, it can be likened to the situation in Northern Ireland but in that case the people were of different ethinic origins, i.e. Celts and Picts, but it the case of  palestine, both groups are of the same ethnic origins so it is almost like a civil war.<br />
I still reckon the solution is to have a common country of Palestine with one government, which the constitution would demand be secular, and get the protaganists to live together with one common constitution and law.To keep on having retaliation for seeming afronts is a no where situation. A Palestinian kills an Israeli and the Israelis then kill a dpzen Palestinians, who were probably not anti Jewish till they were targeted in the revenge attacks, but then they want revenge and so it goes on. Why has the Ulster problem taken 400 years to solve and it still lingers to this day?<br />
G</p>
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		<title>the great unjustice of the 20th century, part 2</title>
		<link>http://athoughtadrift.com/grandad/2009/02/18/the-great-unjustice-of-the-20th-century-part-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the comment I received in relation to my original post, indicates that I am condemning the people of Israel for the behaviour of their government. This was not my intent. At birth all humans are innocent of any bias and &#8230; <a href="http://athoughtadrift.com/grandad/2009/02/18/the-great-unjustice-of-the-20th-century-part-2/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the comment I received in relation to my original post, indicates that I am condemning the people of Israel for the behaviour of their government. This was not my intent.</p>
<p>At birth all humans are innocent of any bias and have no religious inclination. fortunately, religious belief is not hereditary but has to be taught. It is also fortunate that, although the majority of people belong to a religion they are not fanatical in their beliefs, this means that the majority of people don&#8217;t want to hurt others and certainly don&#8217;t want to kill them.</p>
<p>If you took an Israeli baby away from its parents at birth and placed it in the care of a Palestinian famil, it would grow up as a Palestinian and neither a rabbi or a iman would be able to detect that a swap had been made The Rabbi would probably willingly persecute the swapped infant whilst the Iman would welcome it with open arms.</p>
<p>I have found that most of the people that i have met in my travels are, as individuals willing to accept you as they perceive you and your religion has very little to do with their judgement. It is only when there are many of a group which contains a rabble rouser that they will do things as part of the group. In most cases when the group has broken up the ordinary people often feel great guilt for what they have done in a moment of haste.</p>
<p>Further more, it is necessary to train men and, now days, women to kill, it, to most, isn&#8217;t a natural instinct. Proof of this is that so many servicemen after wars or conflicts are over, need councelling and suffer mental illnesses. I would suggest that it would be easier for an ex-serviceman that has lost a limb to be rehabilitated than it would be for, say, the poor buggers that recently shot the children in Afghanistan, killing is soul destroying.</p>
<p>I think that the majority of people like to believe in a god just so that they can look forward to finally having justice. It&#8217;s like the people that were destoyed fanancially by Allan Bond looking forward to eventually being in a position where they can look down from their place in heaven and for eternity watch Allan stoking the fires of hell, but in our hearts we all know that he will die enjoying the riches that he has amassed by conning the people.</p>
<p>The point of this rant is that it is the fanatics in positions of power that make life so miserable for so many, and we should all think about things and make up our own minds as to what is right and should always ask ourselves the question, &#8221; Would I like to be treated thus? &#8221;</p>
<p>We should avoid this crap about being the super race or gods chosen etc, as I pointed out earlier, these religious leader and therefore the gods they represent, couldn&#8217;t even pickto whom you were born so if they judge wrongly they may be persecuting the super race and they wouldn&#8217;t know it.</p>
<p>I often despair of humans ever realizing that it is science that will save us and improve our lives, not gods, fairies, gnomes, trolls, etc, etc. It is hard to understand how so many can accept a belief in these fairy tales when there isn&#8217;t a skerrick of evidence that gods etc exist nor that they ever have existed.</p>
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		<title>the greatest injustice of the 20th century</title>
		<link>http://athoughtadrift.com/grandad/2009/01/30/the-greatest-injustice-of-the-20th-century/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read today that a Spanish judge will accept a case that the Israelis have broken international law and committed war crimes in their attacks on Gaza I read this with some interest because I was around when the UN &#8230; <a href="http://athoughtadrift.com/grandad/2009/01/30/the-greatest-injustice-of-the-20th-century/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read today that a <a href="http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24983196-5001028,00.html">Spanish judge will accept a case that the Israelis have broken international law and committed war crimes in their attacks on Gaza</a> I read this with some interest because I was around when the UN confiscated the Palestinian lands and the peoples property, infact reduced them to being non citizens of any place and gave these lands to a mass of cruel and savage European Jews that had some how survived the Nazi prison camps. These Jews had not only survived but had very successfully learned most of the Gestapo practices.</p>
<p>To make matters worse for the Palestinians, the UN allowed the Israelis to be armed in a manner which Adolf Hitler would have envied whilst imposing an arms embargo on the Palestinians. Then when a Palestinian got annoyed when he or she saw the Israeli occupiers using their propery such as houses and fields etc and threw a stone at the Israelis, the Israelis successfully convinced the world that the Palestinian actions amounted to terrorism and they were justified in, not only killing the stone thrower, but, following good old Nazi practice, they had a right to shoot or destroy the home of every one around that person. It appears to me that Adolf Hitler would be proud of the Israeli State but amazed that it was Jewish. He shouldn&#8217;t be too surprise because as he had the mad idea that the blond, blue eyed German was the super race, and the Jews have the same mad idea that they are the special people of god. A god that they invented and which, funnily enough, has been adopted by their Muslim opposition. Unfortunately, this god devised by the ancient Jews, is a jealous, cruel and evil god as recognised by a group of Jews some 2000 years ago.</p>
<p>I was around when the extent of the Germans cruelty was revealed in 1945 and I was sickened to think that, so called civilized people could sink to such depravity. I hoped that I would never see such disgusting behaviour again, so imagine my horror when I now see the Israelis doing exactly as the Germans had done to them. It would appear that,for the Jews, the only crime that the Nazis committed was to mistreat the Jews, if the Nazis had stuck with just the Gypsys, Slavs and homosexuals, then the Nazis wouldn&#8217;t have been such bad fellows</p>
<p>Over the years the Israelis have suffered some inconvenience from home made rockets being fired into the land they have occupied but this hardly justifies their killing 1500 Palistinians, 800 of whom were innocent children and others would have been, in a majority of cases, innocent women and men. This is a typical Gestapo reaction which the Jews have obviously learned well. What I can&#8217;t understand is how the rest of the world can stand by whilst a virtually unarmed group of people are attacked by the most sofisticated armed force in the Middle East, surely, the battle is a bit one sided?</p>
<p>At the end of the last war I felt sorry for the Jews and Gypsys and Slavs and other groups that had suffered at the hands of the Nazi madness, I realized that they were basically just like all other human beings but they had been brain washed into following a religion devised some 4000 years ago and which is now just a lot of rubbish, as are all the other religions. However, I now believe that the religions are actually evil and a threat to the continuation of civilization.</p>
<p>When one reads back through history, it becomes obvious that these acts of injustice don&#8217;t get forgotten quickly and in, maybe 400 or 500 years the Palistinians will be on top and they will then exact &#8221; their pound of flesh&#8221; from the then citizens of Israel who will actually by that time, feel that they are being unfairly targeted, note the Northern Ireland conflict and the Serbian conflicts based on the actions of the Ottoman Empire a few hundred years back.</p>
<p>I would like to see the Spanish Judge investigate not only the actions of the Israelis but also the actions of the United Nations back in 1948 when it somehow came to the conclusion that it could legitimately dispossess the Palestinians of the lands that they had worked and peacefully lived on for thousands of years.</p>
<p>If there was a case for compensating the European Jews that had suffered so much under the Hitler regeme, then they should have been given a part of Germany, such as the Rhine Valley or Prussia. I think that they may well have considered this but they didn&#8217;t want a Jewish country in &#8221; their own back yard&#8221;.</p>
<p>Unless the United Nations addresses the initial injustice done back in 1948, or at least explains how it made the decision and on what basis, then I can&#8217;t see how there can be a long term solution to the existing state of affairs. It is my opinion that the reunification of Palestine, including Israel, must form the basis for any solution to this problem and the Government of such a reconstituted State must abide by the UN charters and have a secular govermnent to reunite the nation. After all it shouldn&#8217;t be that hard, the Jews and the Palestinians are ethnically the same people!</p>
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